# Calculating the Sagitta of an Arc

Calculating the Sagitta of an Arc–>

Calculating the Sagitta of an Arc–

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What the heck is a sagitta (also called the versine) and why would you want to calculate one? Heres the deal. It turns out that there are a number of lutherie applications that make use of spherical domes or cylindrical sections. The plates of modern so-called flattop guitars are generally domed, and the plates of some other instruments often describe a cylindrical section. Such instruments are built on dished and trough-shaped forms (work boards) which force the thin plate into the final shape. To build such work boards, or to figure out the depth of the sides needed to mate with shaped plates, or even to make radius sanding blocks for shaping fingerboards, one needs to know the relationship between the radius of a circular arc, the length of the chord connecting its two ends, and the deflection of the highest point or that arc from the center of the chord. This latter quantity is called the sagitta, or sag for short. A Javascript calculator is provided for those that dont want to do the math.

The diagram below will help to visualize the quantities involved and their relationship to each other. The circular arc is in red and is of radiusr. The chord (span) connecting the ends of the arc is divided in half, and that is labeledlin the diagram. Finally thesagitta, the displacement or deflection of the highest point of the arc from the mid point of the chord is labeleds. Ill get to the formula for calculating the sagitta in a bit, but first let me answer the question of why youd want to calculate it for lutherie applications. If you want to draw an arc for some design application it is a simple matter to use a compass to do so. But things can get a little tricky when the radius of the arc is big. For example, the domed plates of typical flattop guitars have radii that fall in the range of 12 to 30. Practical approaches to drawing such large radius arcs include use of the long compass. Circular arcs can also be approximated by bending a spline (thin strip of wood or metal) around three small pins or nails. To do the latter, youd need to know where to place the nails for a given radius of arc, and this is where the sagitta calculation comes in. Given the radius of the arc you want to draw and the length of the chord connecting the ends of that arc (corresponding to, say, the width of the dished work board you want to make) the length of the sagitta can be calculated. Once done, the end points and displacement point for the arc can be laid out on a board, nails inserted at those points, a spline bent around the nails, and the curve of the spline penciled onto the board.

The formula for calculating the sag is:

= the sagitta (sag) or displacement, to 3 decimal places;

= the length of the chord (span) connecting the two ends of the arc;

The formula can be used with any units, but make sure they are all the same, i.e. all in inches, all in cm, etc.

A related formula can be used to derive the radius of an arc from span and displacement measurements. This can be used to, say, figure out the radius of an unmarked dished workboard. lay a ruler across the dished surface and then drop another ruler from the center of the first ruler down to the surface of the dish. The length of the first ruler is the span and the distance from the first ruler to the surface of the dish is the sagitta or displacement. The formula is:

= the radius of the arc, to 3 decimal places;

= the length of the chord (span) connecting the two ends of the arc;

= the sagitta (sag) or displacement;

A related formula can be used to calculate the height of the arch at any point – not just in the center. This formula can be used by those that want to build a dish by routing out a board to different depths for example. The first step is to calculate the sagittasfor the arc based on the radiusrand the spanl. Use the first calculator (above) to do this. Then you can plug the values forrandsinto the following formula to calculate heighthat any offsetxfrom the center of the arc.

Here is one more calculator. This one calculates the arc length / arc circumference given the radius and length of the chord. This is useful in lutherie for things like calculating the length of the side of an instrument. Since the body shape is generally composed of a number of tangent circular arcs, you can calculate the length of a body side by calculating all of the arc lengths and then adding them together.

SeeAmerican Lutheriefor a number of articles on construction of jigs and fixtures for building instruments with domed plates.

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